We are two older retired guys ( 58 – 64 ) living on our pension and Social Security. We got LEGALLY married as a same sex couple in Vienna on
It is great to be married
May 17, 2010. This year in Austria after 5 years of being together we were finally allowed to legally marry. ( As of 1/01/2010 ) I am now an American Citizen who married a man from Vienna and now have all my legal rights and privileges just like any other married hetero couple in Europe. When I was getting my paperwork together for the marriage I had to get a notarized document from the U.S. Consulate in Vienna stating that I would be married to an Austrian Man and was not already married in the USA. So when I completed the paperwork they put the official seal of the US Gov. on it and sanctioned our marriage and gave us in so many words the blessing of the USA Gov. They also asked what state we would be living in as husband and husband in the USA. I asked her what this meant and she said put down the state that you will be residing in the US as Husband and Husband in I put Florida. I have all the paper work from them and since they stated and validated and notarized the factthat I was not married in the USA and that I was to marry a same sex partner. Isn’t that the US Government saying we acknowledge the fact that you have a GAY Legal marriage outside the USA but don’t try anything like this in the USA?
Manfred & Rob
We are having a special wedding service in Vienna on the 4th of September 2010 at 1:00. We will have it in the heart of Wien and have friends from all over the world present for our small but very special marriage service. We would love to have you there to see us take our vows. Then afterwards have a small reception in the Keller of the Kapelle that was most likely a part of the underground network that the Austrians used when Vienna was being bombed in the war. Then the next day a second reception and celebration that will include being picked up at the house and driven through Vienna by a white horse drawn carriage to one of Vienna’s Famous landmarks the Wiener Riesenrad for a champagne toast and second very small and special second reception high above the city of lovers. Vienna
Now my problem is:
If heterosexuals from different countries can marry a US citizen and get a green card why can’t legally married retired same sex couples who get married in another country like us, do this legally in the USA? What further angers me is the fact that hetero couples do it all the time illegally to get green cards. We were even told that my Austrian partner should pay a US woman citizen to marry her just to get a green card in the USA. We paid good money and got this suggestion from several well known immigration lawyers in the USA. They literally told us to break the law to get a green card. We do not condone this and are glad we didn’t listen. Please help me understand this problem. WE would appreciate any suggestions and help you might have. All we want to do is live out the rest of our short lives in love and in the USA and maybe Wien if we can afford it. We don’t want to take any jobs away from anyone. Right now Manny my life partner ( Husband ) can only stay in the USA for 6 months. Then he has to travel back to Austria ( with or without me ) Other countries have a Retirement Visa why doesn’t the USA grow up and do the same thing? Thanks so much for listening and any advice you might have.
Sincerely Rob and Manny
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The first time I touched an older man (heck any man), I was in my early 20s. I had a car, and used to drive alone to Riis Park beach near the Rockaways in NY. At the time, there was a section of beach for nudists, and most of the people there were nude men.
For me the attraction was older guys. I was too embarrassed of my body to go nude myself, but I would sit on my towel near a group of older men and spend the day looking and lusting. One time, I was sitting near an older gent who would get up every so often and to into the water for a short swim. When he returned to his blanket, he would towel himself dry, and the lay down on his blanket, flipping his dick up under himself as he lay on his belly. I was infatuated and watched as he did this several times, going into the water for a swim, then coming back to his blanket, drying and laying down.
One time, however, he spent more time in the water than before… and i noticed he was froliking near another man. when he got out of the surf, i could see his dick was stiff and it was dripping of cum. I was so pissed at myself for not having approached the man earlier, as I wanted to invite him to my car to play about a little. Well, I was now determined, so when he got back to his blanket i struck up a conversation with him… asking him about his exploits in the surf. He said it was the first time that had happened to him at the beach, being masturbated by another man in waist deep water. I asked if he would go with me to my car for some more extra – curricula activities, but he rejected my offer, say he wasn’t ready to leave. I was not to be denied, so i waited all afternoon, and when he got up to leave for the day, I also packed up and walked along side him towards the boardwalk and again asked if he wanted to go to my car. He agreed.
When we got to my car, we slipped our swimsuits off and i touched his cock and he touched mine. I felt his soft cock and large balls, something i had only dreamed of. Then i asked him if i could touch him with my mouth. He leaned back and I began sucking his cock. God, it tasted (to me) of cum.. i sucked him, his cock got somewhat hard, but not very…. I fondled his balls as I sucked him.. trying to get him to cum, but was not able to…. after a while, he pushed my head back, and began sucking my cock. I held back as best I could but spurt into his mouth after a short while. As he straighted himself up, he swallowed my cum and said “These were my vitamins for the day”..
We pulled our swimsuits up and i drove him to his bus-stop. Let him out, never knowing his name.
Phil
About a week ago I found a very interesting Blog, which fits into this site very well. Go there and read what this MD has to say about gay and also about seniors and relationship with seniors. I was very thrilled reading through the site. Also have a look to the links, most of them are also very interesting. May be you like it too – please tell us what you think.
Here just some lines from the blog owner - L Olson MD
Loren Olson MD
“For some men, the sexual attraction to another man is unexpected, unwanted and yet unavoidable. Like a moth to a flame, some men are magnetically drawn to other men, often after having made considerable efforts made to resist it. It is like a magnetic fire.
Mature gay men are a diverse group and include all ethnicities, religions, and socio-economic and political groups. For mature gay men who have delayed coming out until mid-life, coming out is much different than it is for younger men.
It is my goal to help others remove some of the psychological barriers so they may reach harmony and peace within and in relationship to others. Since your experiences are important and a largely neglected part of social research, I look forward to hearing from you.
Come, join with me in the search for understanding, acceptance and reconciliation.”
“A non-scientific survey done by a convenience sampling of younger men a few years ago found that the thing which attracted younger men to older men most often was “looks, demeanor and physique,” but the looks they are attracted to aren’t what the stereotype would predict. “Looks” was followed by “sexuality,” “wisdom and experience,” and “softness.” Lowest on the list were “money” and “stability.”
These findings may surprise older men who suspicious of the motives of the younger man and find it difficult to trust that those handsome young men are seriously interested in them for their looks, wisdom and softness. They have become used to seeing themselves as older men who have lost some, if not a lot, of their vitality, and many detest the changes in their bodies, expecting that any potential partner would abhor them just as much. Many are surprised that their physical appearance is precisely what the younger man finds attractive. As one young man said, however, “Mature men just make me horny.”
Hope this little group of photos brings a smile to you during the Holiday season? I also would love to wish you and yours the best Holiday ever and a GREAT Happy and Healthy New Year too.
Don’t be a stranger keep in touch and remember that no matter what happens in your life keep smiling and keep laughing. It still is the best medicine.
Why are so many Gay seniors so secretive about putting information and photos on a private site like http://gayseniors.info but will out themselves on FaceBook Twitter and all other information highway sites to any one? It seems like just a crazy fact.
Privacy is going out the window. Sites like Gayseniors.info have a privacy code and you can’t get in without being a registered free member. It seems logical to me if you don’t want someone to find you you don’t link up with 2 to 3 hundred friends that might or might not know you’r Gay. Or do you realize that they can put any photos of you in any position these open sites like twitter and Facebook etc. Our site is also for those who are seniors and those admirers who someday will become seniors. Your privacy is one of our first and foremost objectives gayseniors.info. Please let us know what your thoughts on this fact are. What do you prefer? Privacy or coming crashing out of the closet without even knowing it with photos on someone else’s profile. I prefer the Private sites.
My documentary “Selling Queer” is coming to Dish Network this Winter. The film won Best Doc at the NY Independent Film Festival and was screened at Cannes before its limited theatrical run. The home video was originally produced via Ardustry Entertainment is no longer available. It had a nice full page write up in IFQ Magazine next to an interview with a personal favorite, Danny Boyle. The film focuses on Orlando’s Gay Days week and specifically asks the question that was on the mind of people paying attention in 2004… Are marketers selling an image of gay identity back to gay people now that they’ve realized the gay community has discretionary income?
Imdb told me it sucked! Really? You don’t say. Okay, I’ll admit it. I have a two star documentary on imdb. How does that make me feel? Wonderful. It tells me that a controversial documentary did its job. It also showcases a fatal flaw in imdb concerning small release films. I’m not going to say that my film is perfect by any stretch… but I will say that it’s no way a 2 star movie. It’s an award-winning documentary, and the first film made on the topic of the gay marketing boom of the early millennium. The film is called Selling Queer, and it obviously made an impact because The Washington Peace Center (a 50 year old anti-racism organization) snaked the name and presented a seminar series called “Selling Queerness / Queer Anti-Capitalism”. Of which I know attendees had seen and enjoyed my doc.
The 2 star rating is strange and represents issues with the way that imdb calculates its results. Essentially, you have a few groups of people who had seen the film at screenings and if they were offended they voted 1. If they thought it raised some good questions, they voted 10. IMDB stripped most of these votes out completely and vomitted up a 2. This seems to happen with titles that are controversial. You can see it trend in episodes of American Idol, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Howard Stern, A&E’s Biography and Charlie Rose. All have many episodes that rate 2 on the imdb scale. So, no, I’m not offended by a 2 when it comes to a doc. Besides, it had a limited theatrical run and it’s coming to Dish Network Pay-Per-View before the end of the year… so it’s still alive.
Why is it so offensive? I’m not sure. I can tell you that many of the people who spoke out in it were very sorry to have done so. I can also tell you that we were given a lot of access through a relationship with Chris Manley and his company Gay Days Inc. One of the big issues is that Chris wanted a PR piece and I started out filming something that was very complimentary, but I just didn’t have the heart to follow through when I heard these awful stories and discontentment. I had to show it like it was. Chris is an amazing person, he rescues dogs and supports many local Central Florida businesses. That doesn’t mean that I can give him a pass. It also doesn’t mean I can condemn him. I don’t do so in the doc. I just try to relay facts and show the events as they were.
One piece of the hatred puzzle is that Rob Labby, one of the main subjects of the film, is a serious Christian. As such he went on Christian radio and talked about the movie. This caused a lot of already on the fence viewers, and potential viewers, to think this was a smear piece made by a right-wing nut. It’s not. I’m very happy to have been able to work with the activists, theaters, distributors and festivals that I did. I’m very happy to have gotten the film finished as my first feature-length work and I’m very happy that it’s still being shown. Another one of the big points of contention with the film is that I’m not gay. In fact, I was married to my first wife when the film was in post a few years ago. This caused many offended people to assume that the film was a way of cashing in on their community. That’s also not true. All the profits go to charity.
It’s a comedy of errors, but check the film out on Dish Network this Winter and decide for yourself.
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Here is Rob’s side of the story
writen by Rob
I am one of the major players an instigator in the Documentary called Selling Queer. I just found out that the video that was made several years ago in Orlando that shows how the Gay community is being taken advantage of by its own was going to be on the dish network. I was also very surprised to find out that I am on the religious right side of the gay community and that the people in the Doc. we’re sorry that they were HONEST at the time, and said what they said.
All I wanted to do was to have an affordable family orientated event without alcohol and sexual overtones that was also a fund raising event for a struggling Gay Community. I asked around if there was anything like this going on during Gay Days. When I found out there wasn’t any I thought why not start it myself. My target group were those in the gay community that were older ( over 35 ) and those who were non drinking, or would like that option. I also figured that there was the ever growing family orientated part of the community that was being left out of the Disney Family? Gay Days sexual drunk fests get together. There was also a large group of guys and gals that could not afford the $100.00 – $200.00 – or even $300.00 ticket prices for this event that was supposed to be for everyone. In the beginning I brought the idea to our local gay church. They thought it was a good idea. So I started working on the project in conjunction with Joy Metropolitan Community Church in Orlando as a fund raiser for them. Well even they went over to the dark side. I am sad to say. When they found out what was going on they opted to go with the BIG BUCKS and forgot about the families, seniors, and non drinkers and those who could not afford the rediculas prices for the Balls and parties etc. that were taking place during the event.
Being a 64 year old retired gay man I as well as so many others who feel left out of this youth booze and money orientated event called Gay Days. I always was and always will be an advocate for the gay community and have not and will not make a penny out of this video or any of the projects I am or were a part of. In fact I lost a lot of money and a lot of faith in the gay community in Orlando Florida during the time Selling Queer was being made. Those that said they would and wanted to help me sabotaged me for their own gain. The Gay Days and Gay Day groups ( there were 2 different groups fighting for the top profit margin.) neither was or is a not for profit group. Neither of the groups would ever say how much money they actually made on Gay Days. That way it would look like giving the community a few hundred dollars was a real generous thing. But when you think of the Millions of dollars that were filtered through the Gay Days and Gay Day organizations, what they gave back to the community was little to nothing. What they got out of the community was far more than they put back. I still believe that sex sells more so than family values in the Gay Community. If this makes me a religious right wing nut then so be it. Even Disney bought into the Gay scene under the guise of helping the Gay Community. Let’s face it if every one that was gay left Disney tomorrow they would have to close the doors. They find and hire Queens that can’t work anywhere else to work for them for pennies on the dollar. They exploit the Gay Community in so many ways. This is one of their more noticeable ones. Why would they let Homosexuals kiss and make out and dress in inappropriate clothes and use foul language in their Family only park if it wasn’t to make a buck. I am far from a prude believe me. But everything has its place. Disney even had signs in the parks stating during Gay Days stating if you don’t want to be offended to come back another day. Well to be honest I am offended very offended the way the Gay community is exploiting its self.
My partner and I have a Totally Free web site for the forgotten older Gay men in the Gay Community. We say it’s a site for Seniors and those who someday will become Seniors. http://gayseniors.info We are retired and make no profit out of the site. It is not a business but an avocation and labor of love. We have thousands and thousands of free registered members, worldwide. The very positive response we get is really rewarding. Guys who would be laughed at and snubbed if they went to Gay Days have a Totally Free place to meet and interact and find out there is a place for the so called over the hill gay male ( over 30 ) I am and always will be an advocate for the forgotten Gay male. I was one. I only hope you offer your hand to an older gay, man some time. Remember as we say on the site “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift: That’s why we call it the present. You judge for yourself.
By the way I never received a copy of the complete video from the production company. I have one of the first copies and I know it’s been changed since its conception. After all it is on the DISH NETWORK not on Logo. Logo will put on shows like Queer as Folk a series that has its place but won’t admit that there are a growing contingent of senior gay men looking for validation and not feeling their too old or fat or infirmed to be a active part of the Gay Community. Were here were Gay ( not Queer ) and some day God willing you to will be one of us ( A Senior Citizen ) As I grow older I don’t get more cynical I just recognize stupidity easier. Has this type of discrimination or theft and hit in your life let us know if you or someone you know did see or have this happen. We would love to let others know about it so it might save them some trouble and pain. Thanks so much
